h.bowman

Please forgive me for always playing Devil's advocate, but how in the world do you know this? I mean, you say it like it is absolutely 100% true. I've been buying and shooting guns for years. I buy lots of stuff from various manufacturers to accompany my guns, but I have no idea how much time ANY of the companies that made my guns, components for my guns, etc., spent in R&D. I have no idea how detailed their QA/QC is. But you talk about it like you have first-hand knowledge and what you say is absolutely true. Is this another assumption? And get this, I only play Devil's advocate because so many people say things that they act are true yet I'm not sure how they got their information. Uno, you do this constantly. I mean, do you spend time with all these manufacturers and watch over their operations, or are you just guessing?

An awesome post, long, long overdue. Should be copied and pasted into every noob thread. Lot's of good info here. I was going to do this when I had time...glad you made it happen.

Actually, we ought to compose a list of all the manufacturers and what it is they make, exactly. Then, when another new guy comes along, we don't get the usual "this is what is on my gun /endthread" nonsense. You know, something that could be copied and pasted each and every time a new guy asks this same question. I don't know, I think it would serve their interests better. I know it would serve me better, I've not heard of half the companies listed above in cleefurds post...

Some of those I've not even heard of. Cool. Got some browsing to do tonight with some new stuff to look at...

I have a standard stock. I actually love the Benelli standard pistol grip stock. What I do not love about it is that it is too long. I think 2 inches off the back would make it perfect. I have trained a lot with my M4 and have never found the stock to "get in the way" as you state. That is, aside from the length. And I do believe 2 inches off the back and it would be just as good for home defense, if not better, than the skeletonized stock. I was just very disappointed with the pistol grip overall. I didn't do a tremendous amount of shooting with it so I can't vouch for the quality of cheek weld one can get with it. I have shot extensively with the Knoxx skeletonized stock and there is no way, no way to get a good cheek weld on that gun, and if you come close to obtaining the good cheek weld, the thing beats the crap out of your face. In any event, I really wish I could like skeletonized Benelli stocks. There is no doubt about them looking good and making for easier storage.

A bandolier is nice because if you need to grab and go, you toss the thing around your neck and off you go. 50 rounds at your disposal if you have a bandolier with full capacity around the loop. Plus, you get a proper index of a shell off a bandolier, which is huge...

Of course, there is Freedom Fighter Tactical for either a steel or Ti magazine tube, steel or Ti charging handle, WC Wolff springs, etc. And try Dave's Metal Works for Benelli accessories. And Socomguy, if he is still around, makes steel magazine tubes. Indeed, there is more than one outlet for quality Benelli accessories...

That quadrail is interesting...do you like holding it? I've not changed out the forend on my M4 and can't imagine enjoying to hold onto rails. I'm quite fond of the Benelli forend, actually. Even if it does absolutely nothing but allow you a comfortable place to grip your gun.

Does anyone even like the Benelli skeletonized stock? I bought one way back in the day and *hated* it. Sold it for what I paid for it so I'm happy. Don't get me wrong, it "looks" cool, but otherwise, I found it to suck, for the most part.

I think the GGG bolt release as an awesome part. Perhaps a tad pricey, but as opposed to what? Who else makes a decent bolt release? Nobody. And I think GGG is better than decent. Seriously. I've had one on my gun for 3 years or so, tons of shooting, no issues whatsoever, and works just as I like it.

I don't know much about the Limbsaver. Is it worth the extra cash? I don't think the recoil on the M4 is too much to manage, and I find the Benelli pad to be just fine.

I totally dig the GGG button. A tad pricey, but I wouldn't part with mine for $130.

FFt sells a Ti extension. For the price of an original Benelli, sort of makes sense. I've considered it.

I got a magnifying glass out to take a closer look at mine and with that I see a little wear - small marks and such...but no deformities or warping of any lind like that. So mine isn't perfect as it appeared by the naked eye. Looking at mine I'm confident the little markings are cosmetic and would not compromise function.

Very interesting. I've got an FFT knob and I've run about 1500 total rounds through my gun since I installed it. I'm not showing anything like what you have. The surface area around the indentations in my knob are perfect. Weird.

The Ti knob from FFT - I bought one - felt the same about craftsmanship. Locks into place the way it should. I love it. Yes, a tad lighter than the gunmetal, but if it was sold with the firearm off the shelf you'd never even notice it.

The biggest Benelli M4 in a movie disappointment was Zombieland. I remember seeing the preview of that and Woody carrying the M4. I thought to myself, nothing could be cooler than taking out zombies with an M4. Then, in the movie, they don't even shoot it. Woody just carries it around. Meh.

We pray.....

I'm buying two as well. Maybe more. I just wish someone else was in development on these.

We pray. That date has been moved a couple of times already.

www.gggaz.com www.davesmetalworks.com www.freedomfightertactical.com www.carriercomp.com www.mesatactical.com http://www.botachtactical.com/trijiconcp251.html http://www.opticsplanet.net/surefire-picatinny-rail-system-m80.html I think that covers everything. Happy shopping.

+1 on the GGG bolt release pad. Love it. +1 on the Meprolight tritium inserts. Love 'em.

Out of fairness to you, and I thought about this when I typed it, that I could be wrong about the 115,000 psi. I know I read that somewhere in regard to Ti tubes, and it may have even been here - the forums that is. And no, I've known you were doing Ti tubes since you arrived on scene. You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to miss information on your Ti tubes on this forum. Anyway, I'm glad you have commented on these few things. There is nothing worse than misinformation or a misunderstanding. Ok - I've got to get some work done now. But thanks for talking with me.

Well, in fairness to me, I called it the "same" spring. Not that one was better than the other. And for my "teachings" - it is not that there should be no "singing of praises" or "purveyance of disparity/similarities". Hey, if you get a part from a vendor and it works the way you want it to, or exceeds your expectations, share it. I just don't get how one can get such a part and make a claim of "undoubtedly the best" without seeing everyone's wares. That really is the only place I have ever had a problem - when people say things like "undoubtedly the best" when they've not had a fair opportunity to compare offerings. I think that does a disservice to the vendors and to the consumer. I urge fairness and caution when making such claims. That's it. And yes, there are people here that haven't held ANY of the vendors parts who say things like "undoubtedly the best" when in the same breath they'll admit they've not seen any of the offerings. Again, a disservice to the entire community.

I believe my scrutiny of the pistons had nothing to do with the strength or the metal used, or the craftsmanship - it was purely a liability issue for me. So I'm not sure how that plays into this discussion. Also, I never said that CC was "inferior" to FFT because of the strength of the Ti used. Or at least I didn't mean to infer that it was truely inferior, as I always qualified the comment, which I think I've said twice before, that the possibility that once you get into Ti for the use in mag tubes it likely doesn't matter. So there was no true claim that one was superior to the other, just a possibility that this was so. And, you cleared that up. I didn't put myself out there as an expert on the subject and I never have. At one point you did have stats up on your site that your tubes had a tensile strength of 115,000 psi. FFT says their tubes have a tensile strength of 130,000 psi. That is all I went by, and from that I assumed they *may* be using a higher grade of Ti, and I stated that either I may be wrong or it may not matter. Of course, you have removed that stat and changed the grade of Ti you use. Which is fine. In the end, I really don't care, but those old numbers on your site is what I went by. So you can relax, because I don't have an axe to grind, which seems to be what you think by your last post. As it stands, I try to be as fair to all vendors as humanly possible. As I've stated earlier, I think it is great that finally a few vendors are focusing on some specialized parts for this firearm, and I hope all do well. Which is really the main reason why I ever add any comments on this issue in the first place. I want all the vendors who appear to be adding parts to their offerings to do well - it is good for us as consumers. I want you to do well, FFT to do well, and Dave's to do well. I'm unaware of any more vendors at this time aside from GGG and Mesa, which do not seem focused on the M4. And I hope to see more 922r compliant parts offered. Including the pistons. Like I said in that thread, I'd hate a liability issue to financially ruin a guy tinkering in his garage.