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  1. I posted this solution to the ARGO system years ago. Both a hand held tool and a Delrin slotted compression pin to release / install the ARGO pin secured in a vise. The factory tool is does not seem to be as kind as the Delrin and polished hand held tool.
    4 points
  2. Well it’s been 8 months since initially announcing this thing, had some design tweaks that were needed and I’m happy to say the new version performs excellent. Hoping to get these into production cycle within the next couple weeks, but these won’t be up to sell for a few months most likely.
    4 points
  3. You can mount a rail to the OEM handguards....did it many years ago when the forum old guard were spitballing solutions. T-nuts work.
    3 points
  4. Mind boggling how people continue to make comparisons with the Beretta 1301 & A300U vs. the Benelli M4. IMMEDIATELY, people point out the Berettas are noticeably lighter and handle/swing easier..OF COURSE..because the Berettas are not platforms designed to meet the request proposed in 1998 by the United Sates DOD/USMC for a COMBAT 12 ga. semi-auto system proven effective & reliable in the harshest of any conditions..which is precisely what the M4 did-won-proved superior and functioned reliably for 20,000+ rounds before needing to be cleaned. The M4 was/is purpose built for the rigors of combat..so 25 years later & counting newer semi auto platforms are brought to market but without one tiny exception, go through/meet the requirements in place by the US Military that the Benelli M4 was built for. The Genius of the M4 is it’s ARGO system, a total of just 4 moving pieces to minimize fouling & maximize going boom when it matters most. Beretta owns Benelli, and the piston systems of the 1301 & A300U are similar to the M4 ARGO system..BUT NOT identical & the Beretta piston systems absolutely have more moving parts to cause fouling. So ya the Benelli M4 is heavier & slightly cumbersome(to some)..because it was not designed to go bird hunting, or for sporting clays/skeet/trap, or paper targets or put in a glass display case..although it can do ALL those things just fine and shoot any load made. The Benelli M4 was purpose built for combat, people always conveniently forget/dismiss that fact..yet at the same time all these years later every 12 gauge semi-auto “tactical” platform made gets compared to the M4, which is the ultimate validation. Of course the M4 always loses two feel-good categories; it’s overly expensive and not light enough, meanwhile the cost for a new 1301 tactical is approx. $1,600 & counting.
    3 points
  5. M4 is more robust. I have all 3, the berettas are a lot of plastic… M4 is heavier but can go through a battle field and still function if dropped, banged around, thrown around etc, to be honest I wouldn’t ever take a 1301 or a 300UP into a battle if the M4 was there as a choice. the berettas shine in sport shooting. Pick your poison.
    3 points
  6. I would imagine u can’t go wrong with either pick. I have heard great things about each. That being said I own an M4. Largely because of the reputation it has with the USMC, it became my dream gun. Truth be told, I was unaware of the 1301 when I got mine a few years ago. Otherwise, I think I would’ve had a much a harder decision. What really helped me make the leap was a thread on arfcom written by the manager/owner/whomever of a shooting range in Las Vegas regarding the sturdiness and reliability of the M4. I believe the name of the range is Battlefield Las Vegas. They cater to a lot of tourists because they rent machine guns. He wrote a lengthy thread describing the parts breaking in even the most reliable of guns like the Rem 870 and Mossberg 500 guns. He had raving review of the Benelli M4/M1014 and that even after 10s of thousands of rounds it never broke a single part and was never not available for rent due to repair. Now this was a thread from many years ago, quite possibly before the 1301 came to market, let alone the A300 ultimate patrol. I’m sure if u did a search u will find the thread. It definitely helped me get over the cost of the M4. Love mine, even after putting another 1k into it to make it how I wanted it. With all that said, I will likely own Beretta 1301 and possibly the A300 Ultimate Patrol eventually. Good luck with whatever u choose.
    3 points
  7. I looked at pictures of the M4A1 supernova stock and it definitely looks like it uses the same pistol grip portion as the regular M4. Its rare to find pictures of the left side. You can see the notch on the left side of the grip where the unlock button sits when the stock is fully collapsed on the M4 model. Personally I'm not a big fan of the M4A1 "upgrades". So converting it to have a traditional stock is a solid choice in my opinion. The enhanced RXArms extension is the way to go!
    2 points
  8. I forgot about the safety spring depressor tool he made too. Here’s a picture of the tools. Hope he’s doing well. I know he traveled internationally for work.
    2 points
  9. Update.. Got my M4 back from Benelli after a little over two months (Dec 4th-Feb 14th) and finally got it to the range. I'm happy to report I ran 118 shells of 00 buck from a few brands, mostly Winchester, without a single failure. According to the report from the tech they changed out the extractor and deepened the extractor cut in the barrel extension. I wish I could say my trust in my M4 has been completely restored, but I think its going to take a few more range trips for that. I'm a pessimist, I know. More like 98% restored..;) Thanks again to everyone for all the previous input.
    2 points
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  11. The length of the shell is actually derived from the measurement of it before it is crimped down or rolled over the load. Since the shell has to be fully expanded and cylindrical to allow the wads and shot column to pass through without any excessive pressure peaks, the crimped section (whether rolled or petaled/folded) has to be completely cylindrical. Thus the chamber length is the actual “measurement” of an “Uncrimped” shellcase. ( actually, the chamber is fractionally longer than the factory made shell case) I think that the reason some people have trouble fitting 7 in the mag tube has to do with the variance in the length of the springs, and how many coils each spring has. That, coupled with the variance in the length of the shells from maker to maker can tolerance stack. They are not all made to exactly the same length, the length can vary from spring to spring. I highly doubt that you can did any damage as you say, trying to force that 7th round in. You could buy a couple springs, or clip a coil or two off of your existing spring and try that. I'm not a fan of the idea to remove the mag spring retainer as a possible solution.
    2 points
  12. As Sly Stone put it, "different strokes for different folks". Some may desire one over the other but I don't think you could go wrong with either, or both.
    1 point
  13. I have stippled a ton of Glocks over the years to give them more grip. Has anyone here stippled their Nova or SuperNova? I can't see how the plastic would react any differently to heat. I am going to chop down my Nova's stock and use the scrap from the stock as a test sample but I wanted to see if anyone here has already taken the plunge? Any lessons learned? I am working on a Nova pawn shop find I am converting to a SBS. Its project "cheap-scape" I bought the gun for $200 at a local pawn shop and I'll add a $200 stamp and pretty much be done. Here is a cheesy rendering.
    1 point
  14. It’s a pet peeve I feel a tactical shotgun should absolutely have a light. I was lucky to find a M4 Gen 2 with the new proprietary rail among other features. However, Benelli makes no accessories so you must add picatinny sections provided to mount to it. It’s well made, but heavy and just inconvenient. I personally like the feel of the plastic hand guards more. In any case, I have heard complaints about literally every rail out there except the Surefire which is a little lighter than this rail, but discontinued. I do care about tool-less field stripping of the shotgun and the rail should fit correctly. These guns have been around over 20 years, surely there are some quality options out there? Photo of my shotgun as it sits… RMR and scallerworks mount on the way.
    1 point
  15. Anyone have one ? Just sourced this factory t-tool; one end is 5.5 mm for front sight work, the other is for wrenching on the ARGO gas plug springs.
    1 point
  16. I asked that same question from Benelli and eventually got a response from Italy. Just take the screw out and remove the red insert. Then place the silver oval in place. You can use a drop of glue to bond it. I used a tiny bit of gorilla glue on the underside of the medallion and a drop on the serrations on the insert post. Tap on the medallion with a rubber mallet. I used a gunsmith hard rubber mallet (you can by that for cheap on Amazon). Be careful because once you drive that medallion in you cannot remove it. I had to pound on the medallion pretty hard to get the sides to be reasonably flush with the wood. Don't use anything harder than hard rubber or you will marr the wood. Don't start the installation until you have the proper type of mallet. It worked pretty well and looks good. I found an engraver in Denver that beautifully hand engraved my initials in the medallion with some scroll border work. He did an awesome job and his charge for the work was reasonable. If you want more details about that and a photo PM me and let me know.
    1 point
  17. Such a cool product. The time and effort you’re putting in to being innovative products to an older design isn’t lost on me. My M4 is an entry model so I won’t be able to try this but I LOVE how it will allow a “c-clamp” grip. So rad. I just ordered a M4 charging handle last night from your site. Keep it up man, your eye for details is what impresses me.
    1 point
  18. Order was placed about 5 mins ago. Rock n Roll!
    1 point
  19. Our 6 position recoil tube is only compatible with the original legacy OEM collapsible stock. So it would work for your needs if I understand you correctly.
    1 point
  20. Got it, many thanks! (I forgot to look at the separate schematic for stocks... I need some TACO's) Once again, those items "should" be able to be reused from what's already on the new M4...
    1 point
  21. That piece fits inside the pistol grip and applies tension as you tighten the grip onto the receiver extension. It's part #120 on this picture.
    1 point
  22. OK, CONFIRMED: All of the internal parts of the 5-Position Tube Assembly (# 70135) are the exact same as the internal parts of the older/previous 3-Position Tube Assembly (# 70043). Verified by two (2) unit armorers and Benelli C.S. today. This means that I can use the extra OEM M4 Collapsible Stock (# 70085) I have already on the new M4 Entry if I can find a plain 3-Position Tube itself (# 70130). I know the newer LE M4's may have a "better" collapsible stock w/ 5 positions and are now common with LE M3's and SuperNova's, but I like & prefer the classic "look" for the original M4 c-stock. I do see some aftermarket 6-Position tubes out there, but I've yet to hear or see anything on them working out with the older c-stock parts...
    1 point
  23. I haven’t handled one to say for certain, but I imagine the internals are the same so they could remain compatible with the pistol grip stock and field stock. I can’t imagine why they’d force themselves into making new parts. However, we are talking Benelli here…
    1 point
  24. Umm..ya you missed my points of reference and facts regarding what the intent of the Benelli M4 was envisioned & built for. Compare objectively with intent, apples-to-apples. I never suggested the Benelli M4 is suitably built for a wide variety of users and different types of shooters, therefore making it versatile. Precisely as you mentioned, that WAS the intended audience for which the Beretta 1301 was envisioned & built for. When designing the 1301, Beretta did not have to adhere to guidelines/meet the absolute requirements set forth by the U.S. DOD combat shotgun proposed back in 1998. Regarding cost, to be clear the 1301 tactical model went into production for purchase in 2014(its predecessor was the 1201 model) and initially the 1301 tactical was ONLY available for purchase to the US market and the MSRP??..approx. $1,000..and as demand increased so has it’s price to date. Identically, the same market demand drove the price up after the Benelli M4 went into market 25 years ago. I own two M4 LE models(11715) and purchased both new several years ago, legally as a civilian thru an established FFL dealer..paid $1600 for one and $1700 for the other..so the LE models are difficult to acquire but they can be found. I also have an array of others shotties, including a 1301 tactical I like very much, but it’s objectively & intentionally different from my M4’s.
    1 point
  25. 1 point
  26. After some deliberation and several phone calls, Benelli pulled through and the lead smith took matters into his own hands and got the shotgun fixed properly and send back. He took out the ridiculous auto safety bar and converted the shotgun over to a manual safe which is how they should be in the first place. The gun came back spotless and fires as expected now.
    1 point
  27. I wasn’t thrilled with the idea of cutting down my field stock, however I too wanted a 13” LOP. I started by marking 1 1/8” cut line on the stock. Next I roughed up the interior for the epoxy for the new screw hole. I taped a large sheet of sandpaper to my bench top to sand flush. I chose the small Limb-saver grind to fit recoil pad and epoxied on a hand fitted “key” to the bottom of the limb-saver that’s fits between the rib in the interior of the stock and the lower epoxy. I purchased a 4 x 36 belt sander from Harbor Freight for the Limb-saver fitting. It ended up at 13 1/16th. I am very happy with the length.
    1 point
  28. Man the wood furniture on that M4 looks fantastic!!!! Where did you find them?
    1 point
  29. I have both and both are great guns. Beretta a300 UP wins on a few points as does the Benelli. Benelli m4: (mine is an SBS entry). Eats EVERYTHING you can put in the chamber. It's been flawless in reliability. Very fast cycling. Nearly maintenance free. Proven design. Can't argue with the combat history. Huge aftermarket support Ridiculous resale value. Cons: Not threaded for chokes. Every single part is expensive, like really pricey. Heavy. Rough edges, this gun bites me a lot. Not sure why. My M2/Nova/Supernova don't. The Beretta a300 UP Roughly half the price of a M4 Feels light in hand. Very nimble gun. I like the field stock its very natural to me, points well. Threaded for chokes. 7 plus one from the factory. MLOK Pretty set up from the factory for "patrol" use. Fast and reliable. Has eaten everthing too. Cons: Plastic everywhere... mag tube cover, sights, pic rail, sling mount/barrel clamp etc. Not much aftermarket support (but not much to change). Aggressive texturing... without gloves it can get painful on a long range day, especially with HOT loads. Handguard gets hot quick. Both are rad guns, however, if I had bought the a300 UP first, I doubt I would have ponied up for the Benelli M4... but I got a great deal on it and "had to have it" You won't go wrong.
    1 point
  30. I hear there was a switch from a cast aluminum trigger housing to a plastic housing.
    1 point
  31. I’ve always twisted until there’s no slop or movement.
    1 point
  32. Gunbroker, one first appeared a few months ago, and this was the second one from the same large dealer.
    1 point
  33. Thank you for the feedback. I’ll prob try to sell it again this summer, or wait till I can get around that for it.
    1 point
  34. Left to right: H&K MS190 M2 Field M2 Tactical M3 Last three are M4s
    1 point
  35. I have 8 tax stamps for SBR's and SBS's and i have multiple shotguns from 12 inch all the way to 30 inch. They all have their purpose and work well for what they're intended to do.
    1 point
  36. I installed the Airtech. It really does tame down the recoil.
    1 point
  37. I have to admit, I had no idea what an M26 MASS was....so I looked it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Modular_Accessory_Shotgun_System All I can say is, what a stupid freaking contraption that is! Looks super fragile like if you dropped it or banged it hard against something it would break or knock something out of whack. Who would like to lug around such a contraption? How unwieldy do you think that thing is to handle? Who comes up with these brilliant ideas? Stupid.
    1 point
  38. I run Hornady Critical defense and I've never had an issue.
    1 point
  39. I run the Hornady CD as my home defense ammo. No problem cycling it at all.
    1 point
  40. i ran 2 boxes of that and it ran fine for me.
    1 point
  41. They seem to be machined well. Not sure why they skipped the drainage holes though. I wouldn’t go out of my way to put a 6 position in over an oem 3 position. I’m not that sensitive to stock length. I usually just throw it fully open.
    1 point
  42. buy the VTAC MK2 and save $45 and have a sling that actually works
    1 point
  43. Great choice, be patient it will be a long wait. They are backordered. Could be 60 - 120 days.
    1 point
  44. Nope just post it here. Sounds like you already have a bite! Welcome to the M4 Tribe!
    1 point
  45. Hi OP: Like you, I encountered the same problem after replacing the stock 5 round mag with a 7 round Freedom Fighter Tactical mag. It really is ammunition manufacture dependent, because not all shot shells are the same “exact” length. Even individual shells (by the same manufacturer) can vary. So, here’s how I fixed it (there is no “replacement” mag cap “modification” that I know of, BTW). There are essentially 2 springs for the Benelli, “long” and “short” (count the coils, don’t measure how long it is). The long spring takes up more room in the tube. The “short” spring (which comes with the 5 round) takes up less. I use the “short” spring. Then, if you remove the srew-on mag cap, you will see a snap ring “cap” or “seat” (don’t remember the part name) that retains the mag spring in the tube. This “seat” is NOT indexed to the tube, meaning it can be seated deeply or at the very end of the tube and can be moved in or out. Using snap ring pliers, you can “back” this seat out some (it’s about 3/4 of an inch long). You DON’T need to back it out much, just enough so you see the end of it outside the tube (about 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch, if necessary). BE WARNED, backing it out too much will cause it to violently fly out of the end of the tube when you release compression, then you need to go looking for it (good luck with that, BTW). My seat is about 1/16 of an inch outside the tube. Those two together “fixed” the 7 round “problem” for me. I use Hornaday “Critical Defense” 00-BUCK (2 3/4). Last thing - and this is also important - if you shoot your gun at the range, MAKE SURE you occasionally crank down on the mag cap until it clicks. The cap has a tendency to loosen when shooting many rounds. I’m not sure if the cap actually retains the end of the “seat,” but I don’t chance it. Hope this helps. Good luck!
    1 point
  46. Jolly Roger, thanks bud, lol. I somehow have to threads going on this. Just to be clear, it's a stock LE model that is supposed to hold 7 from the get go. Don't want to mess up a $1700 piece of machinery. I'm using LE rounds of slugs and 00 buck, but that shouldn't matter. Also Winchester Super X slugs. The mag should account for the size differences, or not advertise it as a 7 rounder. Thanks again.
    1 point
  47. It doesn't matter what the safety position status is; the center of the safety is symmetrical allowing the detent plunger to fall into either detent and also to accommodate switching it about for left hand preference. Always remember to check the function of the safety in the trigger group while it is removed from the receiver and to re-cock the hammer and depress the bolt latch while re-installing the trigger group. Photo might help. Attempting to maintaining the red paint on the enlarged safety will probable not be durable as there is no circular recess for the paint to remain within; the close tolerance of the smooth surface aftermarket part will quickly remove it. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1133[/ATTACH]
    1 point
  48. I may have posted these photos before, but a simple fork tool to compress the safety spring is pretty handy. The diameter of the spring tunnel is not much larger than the diameter of the retaining roll pin which makes the tolerance fit for the tool really close !.....I am certain there is some special XYZ factory tool employed for this task. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1129[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]1127[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]1128[/ATTACH]
    1 point
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