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well in the first place ive never seen this ad before.they were recomended by the police officer that answered the call to my house, and i bought them out of a gun shop with no ads or pics around them. i tried several different types of saftey bullets. i too shot gallon jugs of water with them. some passed clear through the back side of the jugs. everybody here seems to be missing my point entirely. I DONT WANT FULL PENATRATION. i dont want ANYTHING passing through my intended target. i dont even necessarly want to kill the person. i just want to stop them and if the first one doesnt do the job, i have 5 more right behind it. when i shot the coyote with one it did some very real damage. granted a human has bigger bones and heavier muscle mass than a dog. but 99% of normal people when shot do not continue to fight, unless thier on pcp, or cocain. i read some years ago that by ATF reports, more people had been killed by 22s than any other caliber of firearm in the nation. im not trying to force people to believe what i do,nor do i want them doing it to me. and im not mad because they dont.i did how ever get my "undies in a wad" over basicly being called a liar, and having a life or death ordeal being made fun of. i can send anyone who wants one a copy of the police report.

i take no ones word for anything . i do extensive research on the products, and field test them myself. that way i know exactly what the out come will be. and before you even start... im white.

no thanks . ive tested the ammo, and im very happy with the results. i shot a coyote with them at 40yds,nytrillium 357. it blew his chest cavity completly apart,and nothing passed through the body.and there was no ad depicting any black man. i take it your white.

my buddy told me to tell you to try the simmons. he said natchez has a 14 day return policy if you are not 100% satisfied. for $60,00 how could you go wrong??

i have a $650.00 6x24x50 nikon on the 50cal.a simmons $70.00 6x24x50on my 7mm mag, a weaver$180.00 3x9x40 on my 17HMR. a guy i work with said he got an eotech red dot for under $700.00, but he said he got a simmons red dot for $65.00 that was just as good for far less $$. i know my simmons scope does everything that the nikon does for a lot less $$. if i knew then what i know now, i would not have payed that much for the nikon. check out www.natchezss,com man they have soom awsome prices on optics of all flavors. i have to wear a bib when i go there. i want it all.

police forces use Remington 870s & Mossberg 500s. what does that tell you??

this is just my opinion, but i seem to do better to just put a modified choke in mine and leave it. its a good all around choke. i use it for everything from skeet to ducks.

i would not have attacked your charactor, had you not made it sound like i was discribing a scene out of daffy duck, and bugs bunny cartoon. there was nothing funny, or over exaggerated about it. what happened was life altering. if you have never been in that situation,then you really dont know. i pray you never have to find out. at the time i was living in a 2 bed room mobil home. as im sure you are aware the bed rooms are nearly always on oppisite ends of the house, and the walls are paper thin. both interior, and exterior. just as walls in apartments are. we did have a plan of defense, and used it. i was knelling beside the bed so that the blast would have an upward angle. i was barely in position when the man came down the hall. imagine your self being awoke to the sound of your door being kicked in!! not only do you have very little time to react, but your doing it half alseep.the police measured from the blood splatters on the wall to place where he lay,at 19' 10". it mat not have been the force alone that landed him there, but a combination of shock,noise, and the pellets together.none the less i have no reason to lie to you about any of it.and it pissed me off for you to insinuate that i did. we still have the same plan, but now we sleep with the door closed , and a light on in the hall, so that should some one open the door they will be a silloette in the light. i dont use glaser rounds. im using nytrillium extreme shock rounds.

Friend Of Mine Has Had A Maverick 88, For 5 Years, Shot 1000s Ornds Through It. No Problems. He Gave $159.00 For It Brand New.

I Dont Know About Cramped, But Your Deffinantly Mental.

OK , ILL SPELL IT ALL OUT FOR YOU. SO MAYBE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT....MAYBE ...,MY BEDROOM IS 18' SQAURE, MY HALL IS 12' LONG, MY LIVING ROOM IS 18'X21' ALL IN A STRAIGHT LINE WITH EACH OTHER.TOTAL THATS 51'. I WAS IN THE BEDROOM ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE BED WITH MY GIRLFRIEND OF THAT TIME BEHIND ME.THERE IS A SMALL BATHROOM OFF TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HALL THAT A LIGHT IS LEFT ON, THATS HOW I SAW THE GUN IN HIS HAND. WE WERE IN THE DARK, I TOLD HIM STOP, HE THEN STARTED TO RAISE THE GUN AND I FIRED. NO IT DID NOT LOOK LIKE A CARTOON . IT LOOKED LIKE HE HAD BEEN HIT BY A CAR. AS FOR THE POLICE ISSUE, A NEIGHBOR WHO USUALY WORKED NIGHTS WAS OFF THAT PATICULAR NIGHT, SAW HIM GET OUT OF HIS CAR WITH THE GUN AND CALLED POLICE THE GUY WALKED AROUND FOR SEVERAL MINUTES TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT MOBLE HOME TO ENTER. WE LIVED IN TRAILER PARK. AND THE POLICE DEPT WAS ONLY 8 BLOCKS FROM WHERE I LIVED. I NO LONGER USE A SHOT GUN FOR HOME DEFENSE,I USE A 357 LOADED WITH SAFETY ROUNDS.

nope. never have used them. but i have seen them in sites at what i would consider to be cheap. except for eotech. there very high.

i sure would like to be there when NIK dresses his first turkey. lol. its a whole new exprience, for shore.

what distance are we talking about? i would try the light mod first, then go to a tighter one if it wasent working or me.

best is a tricky word. my wifes Fausti o/u is a very nice little shot gun. i paid $399.00 for it a couple of years ago @ wal-mart. was looking on gunbroker a few days ago and could not find one for less than $800.00. mossberg silver reserves are nice but they run around $600.00. C/D o/us run around $500.00 and up. are you wanting a o/u or would an auto work? Charles Daly auto,s run about $280.00. i have one that i love. i will warn you though, they kick like a mule till you get them broke in. i have a pic of mine in the Franchi forum under "my babies".

we are talking about a distance of 10-20FEET, not 90 yds. its not 90yds across my intire yard. you have just proven what we have been saying all along. over penatration kills inoccent bystanders. thats our arguement to start with.your pics prove that 00 buckshot is going to exit the intruder and penatrate whatever wall is behind them. the pics prove that "birdshot" would be more than effective at putting an intruder on the retreat, the man i had to shoot came in my house at 2am looking for the man that had been seeing his wife was in a blind rage.6' 4" tall and 280lbs, not knowing he had the wrong house he kicked my front door in and came down my hall,holding a hand gun. i caught him in the chest just below his right nipple with a 20ga, 26"i/c barrel with a 3dram, 7/8 oz load of #7 1/2 shot. it knocked the gun completely out of his hand and knock him 20'ft back. he lived about 3 minutes, long enough to tell police that he was in the wrong house after he saw me. he died before the ambulance got there. can you imagine your chest looking like that ballistic gel?? and leather does very little to stop lead. i could shoot you in the chest with a 410 with 1/2oz of shot from 20ft, with you wearing a leather vest or even a flak jacket, and even if it does not kill you , you are NOT going to want a second one. its more than likely going to crush your sternum, and break several ribs. i mean if you insist on MAXIMUM KILL POWER, chunk all the fancy riot style 12ga, and get your self a 10ga double barrel coach gun, and load it with 1/2" steal ball bearings.then go inside it, and file the hammer sear on the second barrel so when you pull the trigger it fires both barrels. the only person i want in danger is the one invading my home.

there is not a thing wrong with mossbergs,their just not $1000.00 brand.

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yes. they go...cylinder,skeetI,skeetII,improved cylinder,light mod, modified,improved mod,full,and extra full.

i think i would just buy a hand gun myself. what purpose would it serve?? rob convenience stores??

thats kinda sad if you think about it. they bought a $1000.00 gun, then pawned it for gas to get to work.

gentlemen, firearms are just like women,all of them have thier faults, some are high maintenance, some are cheap,some are pretty, some are not,some even work better than others,they all shoot their mouths off when loaded. i prefer short strawberry blondes, my best friend prefers tall blondes,his brother prefersfat brunettes. bottom line... if you arent happy with it, get rid of it and try another. no amount pissing is going to make someone like what you do.

man. this really makes me appreciate my cheapo $279.00 Charles Daly even more. to qoute a phrase "you dont always get what you pay for"

yep. instead of saving $5.00 per 100, you will save $100.00 per 1000. i have bought bulk supplies through the internet, buy the time you pay s/h and insurance , theres really not all that much diffrence. most of the "GUN" stores around ft. worth are nearly twice as high as cabellas. i usually come out pretty good there.buying shot and wads is ok in bulk, but i prefer to get powder and primers in small quanitys.

i have, and take my word for it, its a reflex action. you can think about all the time. what you would do if a threat occurs. but when it happens, you just react to it without thought. dont get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with planning. but no amount of planning will prepare you to take another human beings life.its something you will lie in bed and think about for awhile.