Super33

That's exactly what was determined. But what gets me is that the Benelli manual says that if the red dot is not visible the hammer is not cocked. If the hammer is not cocked, why does the gun fire? It's not that I'm complaining about the functioning of the gun, but rather the wording in the manual which gives a false impression of a gun that can or cannot be fired. To me that could be a huge safety concern. Here it is one more time exactly from the manual: "The end of the cartridge drop lever which protrudes from the receiver is marked with a red point. When the red point is visible, the hammer is cocked and the gun is ready to fire; otherwise the hammer is not cocked." If a hammer is not cocked, wouldn't that gun NOT FIRE when the trigger is pulled? That is not the case. The gun DOES FIRE when the red point is visible and "the hammer is not cocked".

Yes, I had to go out back and test because when you brought that up I brought out the manual and read it, but it didn't match my memory. So I brought out my gun, there was that click when I pulled the trigger AFTER I hit the release. Since that didn't match the manual I had to see for myself. So I took the ol' M4 out back to run a test. I did lose that round, and since I was back there and had 6 more I also lost those . So in this test I lost 7 rounds, what can I say... Now I too am joining the club and waiting to be enlightened. I'm glad you asked that question because I was under the impression of what I've read from the manual which appears to be false or at least misunderstood.

I have the KZ 3 rail mount on mine. The only disadvantage is that you need a tool to remove it to disassemble the gun.... http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23276&highlight=m4 You could put the 2 shell holder on that.

That's what I'm assuming.... doh!

According to the M4 manual when you CANNOT see the red tip or dot the hammer is not cocked. I was under the assumption that if the hammer is not cocked the gun won't fire. That's what I'm saying. Now assuming the gun is empty, this is directly from the user manual: "The end of the cartridge drop lever which protrudes from the receiver is marked with a red point. When the red point is visible, the hammer is cocked and the gun is ready to fire; otherwise the hammer is not cocked." Therefore I'm assuming my original assumption was wrong. Also, this is a lesson to not assume because of all the assumption confusion that is occuring here.

What do you guys think about this... http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23846 Look at my 2nd and 3rd posts on the first page. (there's only 1 page right now but I can predict the future sometimes). I ran a test based on the M4 manual and it seems the manual is wrong. I hope it's me that's wrong and not the manual.

OKAY, here are my results. This is exactly what I did. I picked up my M4 and hugged it cause I love it. Then I walked for about 5 minutes into the back. I call this area of the back yard the "shooting gallery", it's about 300 yards from the house. I had 7 rounds of federal OO buck 9 pellet in the tube, standard 127 OO. I hit the cartridge drop lever and released a shell from the magazine onto the rail. I pulled back on the bolt handle and released. Now there's a shell in the chamber and nothing on the rail, 6 shells in the tube. I hit the cartridge drop lever again. NOW AFTER I HIT THE LEVER AGAIN THE RED DOT WAS GONE. ACCORDING TO THE BENELLI MANUAL THIS MEANS THE HAMMER IS NOT COCKED, REFER TO MY POST ABOVE FOR THE QUOTE FROM THE MANUAL. I pulled the trigger and to my surprise I was 1 Federal less than I was before. I'm glad blackpowder asked his questions because until now I was under the ASS-UMPTION that pushing that lever de-cocked the gun, JUST LIKE THE MANUAL SAYS IT DOES. I'm a little disappointed. This is a HUGE safety concern. Please somebody correct me where I made a mistake because I can't believe there's a problem like this.

I don't own or have ever handled an M2. The M4 on the other hand I do have experience with. There is a "Cartridge drop lever". Pushing this lever will release a round from the magazine onto the rail. You will then pull back on the bolt handle and release to load a round, the second round will stay in the magazine, this keeps the rail clear for topping off the magazine. When the trigger is pulled the gun will fire and simultaneously release another round from the magazine. When the bolt is returning from the rearward position it will feed that second round up into the chamber, keeping the rail clear. Now assuming the gun is empty, this is directly from the user manual: "The end of the cartridge drop lever which protrudes from the receiver is marked with a red point. When the red point is visible, the hammer is cocked and the gun is ready to fire; otherwise the hammer is not cocked." When my M4 is empty and the bolt is locked back I can hit the bolt release button and the red dot on the cartridge drop lever is visible. I can dry fire or I can push the cartridge drop lever and it will click. After I do this, I can pull the trigger and there is still a click. That click however is not the hammer and if there was a shell in the chamber it would not be fired. I cannot speak from experience because I've never tried firing the gun with a shell in the chamber after releasing the cartridge drop lever and not cocking the gun. SO, I'm on my way to the back yard to see what happens and I'll let you know. Because I'm curious.

He better do it before Kip releases his or he's SOL.

Magazine release? (click) I don't own an M2 but on my M4 it's in the magazine release. I have a habit of slapping my forehead when I see people dry firing their M4 to decock it. Not a very safe procedure and a bad habit if you ask me.

Great question. When I was researching bolt handles I narrowed it down to the Design Concepts handle. When I went to place the order it was too late. They're a favorite among M4 owners and of course they stop producing them. Figures.

We're not supposed to tell you. LOVE THE HANDLE KIP!!

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I'm still using the original. Until Kip releases his.

We carve our pumpkins about a week before Halloween. Throughout that week, it brings cheer to my heart knowing that those little fellas are gonna receive a shotgun blast to the face.

Now that Halloween is over. If you don't take your pumpkins out back and put them out of their misery you're insane.

Exactly what shells were you using? Hookster's right, different shells are often a hair longer than others. Even within the same brand. So a Federal OO buck is a little shorter than a Federal OO buck with flight control by 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch, that's enough to make a difference when adding up the total and you may not be able to fit that last one in. Some shells are much longer, like Rio. I use standard Federal OO buck and slugs (127). They work great for me.

It's not supposed to do that?

Looks like a novelty item. They should give away a free anchor tattoo with that thing.

Just a word of caution. Don't go shooting every zombie you see tonight, some of them might be trick or treaters! So use discretion!

Why is it a 2 by 4 when it's actually 1.5" by 3.5"?

You always have that gomer pyle.

Wow, that desert eagle and the .45 look nice! Keep posting pics! I might consider having my M4 done if I see something here that really catches my eye.

I had the same problem with the rios. I use Federal OO buckshot and they fit fine. Or Winchester buck. Watch out for the Winchester slugs though, they have the same problem, they're a hair longer and you can't fit that last round in.

It's very slight. I took a pic but it didn't capture it.