bambihunter

I bet they are cranking them out as fast as they can to capitalize on the American panic.

You know, that is a valid idea. There has to be some machinist on this forum. Maybe they could start a side-gig either machining those for the customers, or buying take-offs. Then, machine and resell them. However, I don't know if the steel is hardened or if there is enough metal to remove for that matter.

There's a few guys on here that are that are much better with the details and where to find them. I'll leave that question to them. Here's @StrangerDanger's great write-up on how to do it. He can do it for you as well.

Yeah, I think the auction should have said that it wasn't a functional collapsible stock. However, that is exactly what Benelli states the 11701 model has: https://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/m1014-shotguns Yes. Basically you need a 3 position receiver extension. StrangerDanger has a great "how-to" for it if you are a capably DIY'er. As far as availability, they seem to still be available. I don't mean to be THAT guy, but make sure the fuctional one is legal where you live. If you replace parts, remember to keep an eye on the 922r compliance list as well. It does suck to get something other than you expect. Sorry man.

Don't shake it. ? Sorry, I can't help with this particular gun, but welcome to the forum.

I was confused by the wood stocked Benelli pump. I guess there could be older ones that I don't know.

Two things I can think of off the top of my head. Either they didn't tighten it enough, or more likely over-tightened it (I think the threads are standard direction). Since it screws in, it must be in the right spot for it to lined up. Other thought is can/do the M4's have shim kits?

This brings up a related question StrangerDanger... I bought one of the early 11711's that comes in the box with all the additions. I don't think it has the LE designation on the box (I'd have to double-check). Are those exempt from the 922r? I would assume those that are marked as LE models do need to comply. Is that your understanding too? Anyone else can answer too if they have an opinion.

I have no facts to back this up so this is just my personal opinion... I feel like they are the regular M4 that is paying homage to the 1014. Benelli wisely capitalized on the USA market that are interested in having the closest we can have to what our military uses. There are some people that may have bought it for that reason alone. And, as you eluded to, I also think they only as limited as the number of people that want to buy it. I don't believe they retained the early gas system instead opting for the newer M4 port design.

If it is NIB, can you send it back and get a replacement?

I'd have to feel/see it to know for sure, but Clack probably has the best suggestion possible of letting them look at it. I'd check for any threads that looks stripped or parts that appear they've been impacted, broken, or otherwise simply don't look right. Also, explain what you mean by "over-tightens past center". Is the change big enough to show up in pictures? That might help.

As far as if you need to do anything to it. These are still the base matte black underneath as far as I know (they were in the SBE lineup). If what I see is what you are talking about on the receiver, it doesn't look like it affected the metal or the finish on it. If that is what you see in person, then personally, I'd say you are safe to leave it without worrying about damaging the metal underneath. If you really are concerned with the look, I'd check out the gun camo options available at local gun store, Bass Pro, Cabelas, and the like. I know on the SBE II, it was fairly common for the camo to start peeling from the edges after a while of hard use waterfowling. That doesn't make it easier for you, but that is one thing that has kept me from ever wanting to replace my old SBE. My guess is they have improved the process, but who really knows.

I have some older guns, or otherwise collectible that it breaks my heart when I ding them. But, these rarely get out of the house much anyway. On hunting guns, I grumble then move on. You are going to think this is BS but it is the truth. I was pheasant hunting with about 20 other guys in northern Kansas near the Nebraska border. One of the guys grabs a brand new shotgun from the box. Walks over to a barb wire fence and proceeds to run the wooden stock on it. He loads it, shoots a mag full and then turns around. He walks back smiling ear to ear. His response? Now I can hunt with the damn thing and not miss birds because I am babying it. But, in his defense, it was a base model 870 so who cares. LOL On the other hand, I had a Ruger .44 mag carbine. The gun isn't exactly expensive, probably ~850. But, it was a first year gun and though not mint, it was very nice, especially the stock. It had a forearm barrel band. In the past, if I had left the stock off guns with the barrel band, they have shrunk and I couldn't get the barrel back in. So, I slid a socket that was nice and tight in there. A couple weeks passed and I go to put it back together. My hands slip momentarily; just long enough to move forward and hit socket with enough force to act as a splitting wedge as it cracked the stock from there to the tip. My stomach literally felt sick for several hours. Nothing like damaging an otherwise very nice 60 year old gun.

Very much this ^^^ One needs to always be conscientious about what lies behind every shot that is fired. One isn't going to likely be able to remember that in the heat of the moment situation, so analyzing this in advance and picking the firearm and its load ahead of the time is the most logical. The responses about patterning your gun is very valid as well. Seems every gun has particular loads that it does not like, an occasionally one that it loves. I use the same suggestion even with my handgun choices for CCW. I carry a Glock 29 for my CCW duties in town or at home. In it, I feed it 135 grain hollow points for maximum expansion but less penetration. Conversely, I carry a full size G20 magazine loaded with 180 HP's on my belt. Around our place in the country, or anytime I am in the woods hunting or fishing, I carry the G20. I alternate 180 HP's and 220 RN solidcast projectiles. It takes a little practice to be able to shoot the rounds with a little different recoil quickly and accurately. But, that way I have both the expansion of the lighter hollow point projectile and the penetration of the 220 grain round nose.

Wow, that is a 13 year necro-post... Your Montefeltro is hard to load? Ours is an old H&K import but it is smooth as butter and with a light spring to load. But, it has never has malfunctioned. I am not sure about your actual question. The Monte's have a smaller barrel lug than the M2 which may affect which spring will fit. I know this would certainly affect the 12 gauge, but not so sure about the 20 gauge. I know the small barrel lug is what prevents being able to utilize an extended magazine on the 12's as it is smaller than the shell diameter. So, in my opinion (only), It might fit. The safe bet would be to remove the spring and clean it and the mag tube all real well then spray it with dry lube. While in there, measure the spring length and most importantly the diameter. If it was very dirty, put it back together and try it as-is. If it wasn't dirty, find a spring with the same measurements or try cutting a coil at a time off the spring (but only if you have a source to replace the original spring first).

I must have been just really lucky. I've owned my SBE since ~1995 and it has the cast one. I generally shoot over 100 3.5" per year, probably double that in 3". I guess there is/was a problem though if they redesigned them.

It strikes me as odd to ask for opinions after you've purchased it, especially with that many rounds already fired. But, since you haven't had much other shotgun experience to compare it to, it is a practical question. I bought an M4 only because of my history with Benelli on the other models, especially my long time love affair with the SBE 1 (H&K import). I fell in love with the inertia action. Personally, it is the inertia action of their semi-autos that IS Benelli to me. But, the M4's gas system allows it to be softer recoiling, and offers some "freehand" (meaning firing without resistance) shots that will cause the inertia models to eject and close on an empty chamber. With the US military's interest in the M4, I think that caused many in the states to give it a look. The M4 models have a ton of aftermarket parts if you are of the type to personalize them to a hilt. On that topic, remember that if you start replacing parts, make sure you are following the 922r laws. When the M4 is fully "kitted out", they somehow manage a modern classic look for us older shooters, while still being "tacticool" for the younger generation. It probably doesn't hurt that it is featured in most modern video games too. As to why I got into Benelli in the first place, I used to have a different shotgun for different seasons (upland game, waterfowl, dove, skeet, sporting clays, trap, etc). The constantly changing guns meant that with each season change, I missed some shots until I got the feel for that particular gun again. I first read of the Super Black Eagle in 1994; that it could shoot 2.75", 3", and 3.5" mag. In any order, and without adjustment. I made a 3 hour round trip to a gun shop that had one. After holding it, the balance felt good, it was lighter than most of my current guns, many which were only 2.75". So, I saved up about a grand which took me quite a while. So, in '95 I brought home an H&K import Benelli Super Black Eagle. The more I shot it, the more I liked it. So, I slowly started selling my O/U's (Browning Citori and Ruger Red Label), then sold my SxS, then my pumps including the two you mentioned (I do wish I still had the Ithaca 37 for my left-handed friends to shoot), then lastly sold my Ithaca. So, for ~10 years I had ONLY the SBE; well, and a .410 1100 Remington that I traded for that is mint. During that time I bought a rifled slug barrel and modified forearm (required for the SBE 1 to shoot the slug barrel and/or for later field barrels). I said at that time if some atrocious law came into effect that only allowed us a single firearm, that would be it. Flash forward to now. I started to collect them some years back. I now have an M1, two M3T's (top folder's), Montefeltro 20 gauge (my wife's clay pigeon gun), two SBE's and every factory length barrel that was offered (24", 26", and 28" in both low rib and high rib barrels, plus the aforementioned slug barrel), an all black modified M4 (these are gas operated), and the rare and valuable M4 H2O (NP3 version) model 11711. I liked Benelli so much that to this day, only other shotguns I still have only the Remington 1100 .410 and a Savage 22/.410 O/U that I've had for 25+ years. However, a Franchi SPAS-15 or SPAS-12 is on my short list.

I'd avoid the Benelli. Why? Because like those potato chips, you can't just have one. Eventually you'll want 'em all. ? Congrats on your purchase.

Depending on how quickly you need the money, perhaps you could put it higher since it is in-state and perhaps grandfathered. I don't really know CA's laws.

Is this just the factory straight stocked "Field" version? If so, Vertigo is probably fairly straight-on. If it is a M3T (folder), then they are much more rare and I've seen them go for more than $2500 quite often before all this panic buying. The H&K version does allow you to "float the shell on the carrier". That said, with the 3" chamber instead of the 3.5" of the SBE, it is much more tricky to do; almost to the point of not worth bothering. I don't know if they are still offering the re-released M3's but they didn't seem near as popular as the early ones. Here's my pair of H&K M3T's.

If I am not mistaken, in the factory flavor (unmodified) the originals had the silver trigger housing like pictured vs the later ones that were black. There were some notable differences in the collapsible stock versions as well. I've got one of the elusive, and now quite expensive 11711 models of the H2O. Beautiful guns.

Yes, that should be a Mobil choke'd barrel. Quick and easy way to tell is to remove the choke. On the Mobil chokes, the threads are at the very end of the barrel. On the Crio chokes, the threads are ~1/2" from the end of the barrel. All HK-era shotguns started life with Mobil. Now, if a barrel was replaced with a later M2 barrel, then they would be the Crio type.

That has to be among the most truthfully answered response I have seen in a long time. It is refreshing. So many say no way, not our products, or they give a canned response.

I'll look when I get home. Here's the pics I took after I bought it. I bought this from a co-worker. It started life as a standard M4 (pistol-gripped stock, no extensions, etc). He had all this done as well as the 922r compliance stuff. I haven't done much with it other than to shoot it a few times to compare to my M1 in a similar configuration. Do these help?

Visually we can tell if it is a SBE I, II, or III. But, using the proof marks on the barrel we can narrow it down to the year. If it is a 1 or 2, the importer also has some weight as does things like high or low rib barrel, chokes with the threads at the end (SBE I and very early SBE II's) vs 1/2" or so back from the muzzle are mid to late II's on to present made guns. Here's a link back to a proof mark discussion on here a while back: I'm not sure how/why my picture is the google picture for that thread.