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Just to throw an anecdote in here. I had a customer drive down from Los Angeles to meet up with me to do a receiver extension swap on his M1014 last Thursday. Well upon installation, I noticed that the collapsible stock was extremely sloppy on the extension. Like it would rock back and forth around 6 - 8 degrees. It would likely collapse without pushing the unlock button under recoil. We tried several stocks, the same issue was present on all of them. The notches appeared to have been milled improperly. I've swapped like a 100 of these over the years, and have never seen one do this before. Probably more of that rushed Benelli quality we're seeing lately. Naturally this extension was bought from Benelliparts since they get them in more than anyone. Fortunately I had another extension on hand to get the job done right, and the bad one was sent back with the customer. Since the customer happen to live near where Benelliparts is located, the customer met up with Antonio in person who was happy to swap the extension out. He brought several of them for him to choose from to send back to me.
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Using Loctite on the Mesa Tactical screw has caused grief in the past. Several threads have been made where they went to remove the stock retaining screw and since they had used loctite, the Benelli's Stock Retaining Screw that screws into the receiver extension unscrewed from the extension. Sure, the stock came off, but the OEM Stock Retaining Screw is now seized to the end of the screw inside of the stock with no ability to grab and hold it. Several users had to cut the stock open in order to recover the parts. Then they still had the task of trying to hold the Stock Retaining Screw while breaking the Loctite. If I absolutely had to use the Urbino, I would probably use a lighter Loctite like the purple type on the Mesa Tactical screw. Make sure everything is degreased with acetone and a wire brush to maximize adhesion. Loctite makes a primer that is acetone based as well if that's easier for you. I would then use the blue Loctite 242 on the OEM Stock Retaining Screw's external threads, and screw it into the receiver extension as tight as it will seat. This would help bind this receiving screw into the extension and hopefully prevent it from backing out when unscrewing the Mesa Tactical screw. My only concern about doing this how hard it would be to get the receiver extension apart down the road. You'd almost certainly need heat to break the thread locker. Given that the notches in the Stock Retaining Screw don't give you much purchase with a tool, it could be difficult to break the thread locker without damaging those notches. Unfortunately this was a really bad design. They went this route as a cost savings measure instead of developing a tool free system like the OEM stocks use.
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Benelli M4 -- Receiver Extension Removal/Reinstallation Guide
StrangerDanger replied to StrangerDanger's topic in Benelli
Update - I met up with a forum member yesterday to replace his receiver extension. After swapping the extensions, I noticed that the stock was rather loose and sloppy on the three position extension. I tested the users stock on my M4 and found it to be fine. My stock on his new extension had the same sloppy loose feeling. You could rock the tail portion of the stock back and forth about 8 degrees. There was a good chance the stock would have collapsed under recoil. Typically these stocks only have about 1-3 degrees of slop. Inspection of the extension seemed to show that the notches were not machined properly. The notches appeared to be larger. I’d recommend testing the stock on the extensions before going thru the trouble of tearing the extension. -
Merry Christmas all - Full disclosure, I am moving to the Modlite lamps across the board on my shotgun and rifles. I know a bunch of people want to stick with the 123A platform, so I figured I’d see if anyone wants any of these items before I put them on gunbroker. These Ava Tactical mounts are extremely hard to find these days. ——————————— Item 1. Black Ava Tactical mount mod 1 with a Surefire M600C, comes with the IWC backbone body. Tailcap has been machined to remove the bezel around the activation button and coated with Alumablack. $400.00 ——————————— Item 2. Burnt Bronze Ava Tactical mount mod 1 with a Surefire M600IB comes with the IWC backbone body. Tailcap has been machined and coated with Cerakote for clearance. The intellibeam lamp has been machined on a lathe to allow for fitment on the Benelli. This lamp auto gains from 100-600 lumens and is arguably the best of the 123A series of lights. Note that the screws were left black. $425.00 ——————————— Item 3. NP3 plated Ava Tactical mount mod 1 with a Surefire M600IB comes with the IWC backbone body. Tailcap has been machined and coated with NP3 for clearance. The intellibeam lamp has been machined on a lathe to allow for fitment on the Benelli. This lamp auto gains from 100-600 lumens and is arguably the best of the 123A series of lights. The entire mount, screws, light body and tailcap are NP3 plated. Only the lamp head is Cerakoted since you can’t NP3 lights. $450.00 ————————————- Item 4. H2O Surefire M600IB lamp head. Lamp has been machined for clearance to fit the Benelli M4. The lamp was then painted in Cerakote to match the NP3 finish. $175.00 ————————————- Item 5. Black Surefire M600 Intellibeam weapon light with an IWC M600 backbone body. Standard Z68 Surefire tailcap. No machining done to the unit. This is more for a IWC mount or for an AR platform. $190.00 ————————————- Item 6. Black Surefire M600C weapon light with an IWC M600 backbone body. This is a 500 lumen model. Machined Z68 Surefire tailcap to remove the bezel. No machining done to the lamp. This is more for a IWC mount or for an AR platform. $175.00 ————————————— Item 7. Burnt Bronze M600C 500 lumen lamp head cerakoted burnt bronze. $140.00 ——————————- Items can be combined for shipping. Shipping will be actual cost via USPS Priority Mail with insurance.
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Never seen one that bad with the machine marks on the receiver. Definitely got those marks before the anodizing was done. Removing those marks would not be easy to do, and would require refinishing afterwards. They'd essentially have to be sanded away. Hopefully Benelli will replace it for you. The barrel cant isn't an easy fix either. It's usually how the barrel is canted in the barrel extension. Definitely not an end user fix. I couldn't even fix that myself since I don't have the jigs they use to hold the barrel in place. I would guess they seat the barrel, then weld on the front sight post at top dead center. The barrel will likely just be replaced.
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https://www.benelliparts.net/store/p21/Benelli_M4_M1014_3_Position_Recoil_%2F_Adjustment_Tube.html This extension will fix the M1014 so that the collapsible stock functions. The installation job is not very easy though.
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Or a guy selling stuff from under his trench coat in the alley.
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My little 12 year old capitalist is all about making money. We've discussed getting one in the past, but she doesn't know its coming. It'll be a good experience since you end up learning things like Adobe Illustrator and some basic wood working skills. Plus layout and material experience. We have a State Park within walking distance that has a store that sells items. She can place the items there for sale. So the basic idea is to engrave their name and logo into outdoorsy kind of items and sell them for a markup. It beats a lemon-aid stand.
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Correct, the DG model will match the barrel's color very closely.
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"M4" or USA flag logo - does it matter? Early vs later production..
StrangerDanger replied to zrtman's topic in Benelli
The commemorative M1014 that originally had the 1-2500 run have a functioning collapsible stock, the only reason it doesn't work is because the receiver extension isn't machined for the notches to adjust. I have heard that California didn't like even this neutered stock since it effectively has an install notch and the fully extended locked position. Being california, they couldn't see that this was not a usable position. Some importers have added a screw beneath the cheek riser which prevents the adjustment button from being pressed. This really complicates disassembly of the firearm. The importers used something akin to red Loctite which makes it difficult to remove without heat. 1. Does the stock unscrew the same easy way that any of the pistol grip stocks come off? It's similar. However the collapsible stock is two pieces. The tail stock piece and the pistol grip section. The tail stock piece uses the unlock button and the notches in the receiver extension to adjust and be removed from the shotgun. The pistol grip section is very similar to the field and pistol grip fixed stock where it just unscrews from the receiver when the trigger frame is removed. The only slight difference is the collapsible stock screws onto the receiver extension up near the base of the receiver. If you look at the receiver extension and see the 27mm jam nut, there is an identical one inside the pistol grip collapsible stock portion that threads onto the receiver extension. The field and pistol grip stocks attach at the sling mount thru the threaded hole at the end of the receiver extension. 2. Does it come with a recoil tube that has the 3-position detents, even though they are not visible or usable with that stock? All M1014's originally come with the 1 position neutered receiver extension. The only ones that have been changed are from gunsmiths and end users. Looking at this old photo of mine, you can see the three types of receiver extensions. I've never seen a 2 position stock in the wild. Only ones received from Numrich arms. 3. Does the barrel have the threads that are necessary for attaching chokes on the end of the barrel? All M1014's do not have a threaded choke. However, you can have one added if you wish by companies like Rose Action Sports or Briley. -
"M4" or USA flag logo - does it matter? Early vs later production..
StrangerDanger replied to zrtman's topic in Benelli
There were two releases of the flag edition model M1014. The first release around 2002 was limited to 2500 shotguns. It came with a collapsible stock that had philips head screws in the cheek riser. The collapsible stock does not function because the receiver extension is neutered and doesn't have the correct notches for the stock to function. This older model indicated in its serial number what gun it was of the 2500. Example, you could have gun 0666. This earlier model came with an aluminum trigger frame and the barrel does not have a removable choke. The seating ring and handguards are slightly different as well. This seat ring is where the barrel seats against the face of the receiver. New production flag edition M1014's is not a limited run. It doesn't have a special serial number, so it'll just be a jumble of numbers and letters. The collapsible stock doesn't function, but the screws have been changed to allen head screws. The trigger frame is the new polymer style. The barrel now has the larger seat ring where it meets the receiver. The barrel is not threaded for chokes. There are about a dozen other Benelli M4 models. Some just designate a color change or if it was meant for law enforcement. They're all generally the same though. These regular M4's usually come with a fixed stock. These units have the correct receiver extension, so adding a collapsible stock it it will function without any modifications. As with all used guns, the more information you can find about it, the better. Especially if you can get what aftermarket modifications have been done. -
Good job. Your fit looks better than most that I've seen.
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Or... all the bolt handles are destined for the secret military units that fight demons, space aliens and evil AI cyborgs in the flat hollow Earth under project Featherweight. You know you want to see a hulked out Marine in nogs rocking the Benelli M4 crush the wind pipe of a demon with the M4 muzzle pressed against their forehead while the glint of their red eyes shine on the black/blue hue of the heat treated carriercomp bolt knobs. Then mag dumping buckshot center mass loaded with neodymium magnets into a Terminator robot. Or... maybe they just sold off the equipment and the return wasn't worth what was invested. Personally I like the new TTI stainless handle better since it doesn't have knurling. I was tearing up my hand on the knurling when going a little too fast with the CC unit. There were a lot of cool things in development with carriercomp that never went anywhere. Such as the M4 bayonet with a SOG blade.
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Just ordered a GlowForge Pro laser engraver for my daughter. I might try to make something like this with it with some kind of charging stations built into it for my phone and watch.
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Same. I even offered to buy 500 and got nothing.
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It’s normal. It’s factory staking to help retain the link pin.
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The DG model is the one you want.
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Sorry about the divorce. Lot of that going on this year. They say divorce is expensive because it’s worth it! Hit the gym, buy new clothes and get ready to tear it up again.
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I had issues getting items that I guess were back ordered. I had several Surefires on order for several months. Finally gave up and went with Modlite. So glad I did, Modlite blows away the Surefire output.
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Never seen one.
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I need help with Benelli M4 buffer tube installation please
StrangerDanger replied to Aymon's topic in Benelli
You want 8.5 full rotation from the point the threads grab. Then time it so that the collapsible stock is indexed correctly. I collapse the stock onto the receiver extension and use the pointy part of the cheek rest to point at the center of the rear sight. I then tighten the jam nut with the open end of the 27mm wrench. Then remove the stock, slip the close end of the 27mm wrench over the end and firmly tighten it while putting counter pressure on the extension with a 19mm wrench on the flats of the extension. Verify that the extension didn’t move with the stock again after tightening. -
Correct on the 3 position extension. The stock will function perfectly once replaced.
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Smaller the dot, smaller the smudge from the astigmatism. Running the dot at lower power helps too. I was sighting in an AR15 build yesterday with a Holosun knock off of an Aimpoint T1, and noted the smear. So I turned it down to the point where I could just barely see the dot. The lower powered dot will obstruct your target less so you can make precise aiming. I wouldn’t leave the optic in this low powered state once deployed for self defense or duty use. Just to sight in the firearm in so that you know of any aiming errors occur, they’re on you and not the sights.
