Sukhoi_fan

btw, there are currently 2 c stocks listed on feebay - a dreamer has one listed for 950 and a realist has one listed with a 3 position recoil tube for 200

given the choice between an Urbino and a c stock in this economy I don't know why anyone would even want a c stock...to cut the overall length by a mere 3"? to look tacti-cool??? it just isn't worth the extra cost imo when the Urbino is superior (and yes, I had a c stock briefly)

Who would ever shoot a gun like that??? As was posted one would be better off getting a couple of choppers for that kind of money and have some fun.

considering the price of new barrels and limited options, you may want to think about just getting another shotty to suit your needs http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=10307

Thx for the photos I've also always found that the patterns are blown apart and very irregular with the 3" rounds. The other disadvantages to 3" - less magazine capacity, more muzzle flash, and more difficulty staying on target with the extra recoil. Conclusion: forget the 3" rounds and only use the 3" when that's all ya got.

I got an email from the fellow with Botach who posted on that thread indicating they had no timeframe for having those stocks available again, so IOW, out of stock indefinitely.

I get the impression that one or more of those listings are courtesy of Uncle Sam's inventory in the sandbox.

I see it's got one of those $1,000 buttstocks on it, that makes all the difference. lol Don't see the benefit of not having a barrel which takes screw-in chokes though.

Other than the "L.E." stamped on the side of the receiver, how is this gun different from all the other M4s being manufactured?

Price reduced

For a few yuks - http://cgi.ebay.com/Benelli-M4-Super-90-USMC-Shotgun-Collapsible-Buttstock-/320559192091?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa2d1181b $60 for shipping and insurance, and "I got rid of the original box because it took up too much room". lol

Yes, it's very obvious, 2 vs. 4, but you definitely need to remove the barrel and view from the breech end of the barrel to see 'em.

Only M4s sold in the US to the military and police come equipped as you mentioned (although this is the first I've heard of a 'heavy spring'). The collapsible stock is actually a three position stock, and yours would be just that with the addition of the correctly notched recoil spring tube (which can be found on Gunbroker). The reduced mag capacity and the fixed skeletonized stock are standard for your particular M4. Someone is trying to shine you on and beat you up on price apparently. That non-functional 'skeletonized' (in reality a fully functional collapsible stock in need of the correct recoil spring tube to make it work) is an asset to the gun adding at least $400 to the value of what you have. Adding magazine capacity would result in possibly getting charged with a 922® violation (although to the best of my knowledge no one ever has been charged, there's always that exposure).

I have a Choate field buttstock and a Benelli S90 M1 fore end (trimmed to fit the 121) for sale. Both in excellent condition - $100 shipped.

It appears to me that you are suffering from the cherished delusions that a branch of the feral govt. *really* does care about us 'small people' and this decision won't be used against us. From what I gather about this decision, 'reasonable restrictions' (or however it was referred to) are perfectly acceptable to this court and from that we can expect to see 'licensing to demonstrate *competency*' (a license is permission to do something that would otherwise be 'illegal', IOW 'permission granted' and anything granted by the corporate state can be revoked) as a 'reasonable restriction' along with further possible attacks on the ownership of those evil black guns (who needs a 'high capacity' gun anyway??? the cops are always a phone call away) and certainly a 'closing' of 'the gunshow loophole' along with private sales within a state. There is nothing here to 'celebrate' or be pleased about. Think of it as one step forward and four steps back. Indeed, this has opened the door to all manner of nonsense and mischief. FYI: the nooz media persists in calling RKBA 'a civil right'. Only slaves have 'civil rights'.

It makes NO difference as to how I *feel* about the 14th amendment - it is what it is, a vehicle for facilitating voluntary servitude via the status of 'U.S. citizen' (as opposed to 'an inhabitant of a state'). Anyone who relies on the 14th amendment for ANYTHING has screwed themselves to epic proportions. In the case of RKBA the issue is transformed from one of an unalienable, natural, God-given right of self-defense to a 'civil right' granted by the corporate state (and that which is 'granted' can be revoked). This sums it up: "Those that are unaware, are unaware, of being unaware." --Victor Issac Carson The term for this is anosognosia which is a condition in which a person who suffers from a disability seems unaware of or denies the existence of his or her disability and it is very real. It will be a bona fide 'victory' when yellow sheets are done away with.

Are you suggesting the ends justifies the means???

The 14th amendment is possibly the worst thing that ever happened to the people of the USA. (it was written for the purposes/agenda of the banksters) Relying on the 14th amendment for your RKBA protections is NOT good. (the Constitution confers no rights) I'd be very cautious about 'celebrating' this 'victory'.

Now if only some neighborly LEOs would exploit their entrepreneurial spirit and share the good times.

I wish you luck with this as having USA made pistons available would be great with respect to 922®. And Ti would be cool too.

Maybe considered blasphemy by some here, but for the money the hot tip right now is the FN SLP with the 22" barrel w/ FL mag tube. I've seen them recently on gunjoker in the $800 range. It's a gas gun, you don't need to concern yourself with 922® compliance if you're wanting a FL mag tube (which is the case with the M4 if you add the FL tube), and it's supposedly the fastest semi-auto shotgun currently. You just can't make it nearly as tacticool as the M4. This video shows the Winchester SX3 which is the very same thing as the FN SLP -

The best value is the M1, 'cause the M4 is a money pit. The M1 already has the FL mag tube, and if you get the M4 you'll just end up spending as much or more on accessories as you would on the M1 just like everyone else on this forum. And FWIW I own one of the money pits.

Welcome Matt. Nothing at all wrong with the M1 you're talking about, however it depends upon what use you have in mind for it - recoil operation vs. gas.

Yeehaw, that's vicious looking. I want some.

You being a youngster and all, I urge you to do your own objective research into the way the world really is rather than clinging to the carefully crafted (by the media which is completely owned by the money powers aka the Military Industrial Complex aka MIC) delusions which are presented to you and which you are expected to 'buy into'. The world is not at all what it seems.