Gmcrigger2007 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 What s the recommend charging Handle these days for the Benelli m4? I was thinking of getting either the freedom Fighter Tactical 3/4 Steel or the titanium handle. Just looking for something to grasp a little easier. Thanks for the recommendations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenw111 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Gmcrigger2007 said: What s the recommend charging Handle these days for the Benelli m4? I was thinking of getting either the freedom Fighter Tactical 3/4 Steel or the titanium handle. Just looking for something to grasp a little easier. Thanks for the recommendations. most def you want the 3/4 titanium baby from freedom fighter tactiCOOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 I usually use a stainless TTI one. I don’t care for knurling on the knob since it can cut up my hand when I’m going fast. Some have issues with the TTI knob over inserting. I’ve never experienced this on several M4’s and dozen of clients’ shotguns. I had a carriercomp knob, and it was a masterpiece of engineering. It was knurled though and would chew up my fingers when running it hard. They’re practically vaporware these days. When found they go for an insane premium price of like 450 dollars. Lighter than the stock handle by a few grams too. The titanium FFT bolt handle gets chewed up over time by the detent in the bolt carrier. Steel wins over titanium in durability. So the notches the detent fits into get chewed up and eventually the bolt handle will just fall out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12508 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I like the KZ version. It is just a larger version of the factory knob. Have abused it in a few classes and it runs fine. https://www.botach.com/kz-benelli-m4-ergonomic-3x-oversized-charging-handle/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTycoon Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Just stay away from GG&G. I had one that would, periodically, fall out during cycling and finally broke leaving most of the shaft in the bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenw111 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 hours ago, NoTycoon said: Just stay away from GG&G. I had one that would, periodically, fall out during cycling and finally broke leaving most of the shaft in the bolt. youre the 1st ive heard anyone claim the GGG handle was a pooper. one of mine has tons of abuse and is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma05 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, 12508 said: I like the KZ version. It is just a larger version of the factory knob. Have abused it in a few classes and it runs fine. https://www.botach.com/kz-benelli-m4-ergonomic-3x-oversized-charging-handle/ I’m also running this one, but I didn’t get it from Botach since they have the worst customer service. The original shape of the factory one is that way because it’s designed also as a disassembly tool. That’s why I chose this one, because it retains the same functions. Edited October 8, 2019 by Sigma05 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I have the FFT and love it, though it looks like they are only selling the titanium one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmcrigger2007 Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Thanks for all the replies ,I 'm leaning towards the FFT Steel charging handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdog19 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I have the FFT 1/2" titanium handle. It fell out yesterday after about 80 rounds of bird shot. Luckily for me it wasn't during firing; it just fell at my feet and my buddies, said, "Dude, look!" I re-installed and gave it a tug and shot another 20 rounds or so without incident. If I just pissed in someone's cornflakes, my apologies! Next time I go to the range I'll take my OEM as a spare and will update this forum if it happens again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Birddog - Since there is three indents on the bottom of the charging handle that index with the detent in the bolt carrier, one of these notches may be damaged, so the other two still retain the bolt knob for now. You might be able to visually see which one is boogered up and avoid using that notch. Or maybe reach out to FFT and see if they'll warranty it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milspec Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Birdog19 said: I have the FFT 1/2" titanium handle. It fell out yesterday after about 80 rounds of bird shot. Luckily for me it wasn't during firing; it just fell at my feet and my buddies, said, "Dude, look!" I re-installed and gave it a tug and shot another 20 rounds or so without incident. If I just pissed in someone's cornflakes, my apologies! Next time I go to the range I'll take my OEM as a spare and will update this forum if it happens again. I hate to laugh but it’s not at your situation. Todd from FFT just posted a new charging handle video on YouTube yesterday. He went on and on about how the steel and ti handles will both serve you for an entire lifetime. He further continued to say that the ti handles might get some dings but they will never fall out. Too crazy. Unless you didn’t have it fully inserted but I would guess that you know what you’re doing. Sorry to hear about your handle. Hopefully, he’ll take care of you. Edited October 16, 2019 by Milspec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdog19 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 FFT Charging Handle Update: I examined both the FFT and OEM charging handle detents and they look identical under a magnifying glass -- nothing more scientific than that. While installed, both handles will rotate through the 3 detents in similar fashion with similar force required. With a bit of playing with the charging handle, I found it possible to have the handle fail to drop into the spring loaded locked position (detents) but instead stay in what I'll call Top Dead Center, or, the removal position. I applied a little oil to the detents on the end of the handles and I was still able to attain the TDC (removal) position without it locking into a detent. I also found that the FFT handle rotated a little more freely than the OEM after oiling. So what does this all mean? Depending on your technique for racking the gun, meaning index finger, pinky finger, back of the hand, weak hand thumb, etc., it is possible to rotate the bolt handle just slightly into the TDC or removal position. While the spring in the BCG usually snaps (rotates) the handle into a locked detent position, it may not. In my case I rolled the gun over and it just fell out. So Danger, have you heard of anything Stranger?! Should I buy a lottery ticket?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Get a Powerball ticket! I’d take it out and test it some more to see if it vanishes on you again before doing anything more drastic. You could have had it installed where it wasn’t retaining it well. It’s not the best design to be honest. It’s one of those Italian engineer things like how the rear sling mount is installed in the Standard stocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdog19 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Powerball ticket, Aye! I thought about a poor initial installation as well but I figured I would have lost it before 80+ rounds. I'm leaning more toward twisting the handle through manual of arms to the point where it was TDC. Currently I can rotate the handle to all 3 detents and give it a tug and it is secure. Quien sabes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingsight Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I'm looking at getting some Grade 8 bolts and throwing them on a grinder, so I can make shafts for the charging handle that have a head and a short threaded section. That way, I can turn different handles in 1/2", or 3/4" or plastic or steel or aluminum, and they'll screw on and still have a steel shaft. My issue is that I don't own an M4 to test with, and I'm pretty sure I'm never going to sell enough charging handles to make $1800 to pay for one, so R&D will be interesting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenw111 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, shootingsight said: I'm looking at getting some Grade 8 bolts and throwing them on a grinder, so I can make shafts for the charging handle that have a head and a short threaded section. That way, I can turn different handles in 1/2", or 3/4" or plastic or steel or aluminum, and they'll screw on and still have a steel shaft. My issue is that I don't own an M4 to test with, and I'm pretty sure I'm never going to sell enough charging handles to make $1800 to pay for one, so R&D will be interesting ? new benelli m4 is $1540 here in Kentucky. namely BUDS GUNS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingsight Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Thanks. Never shopped at Bud's, maybe now is the time to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingsight Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Where did you find it? I looked at Bud's and they are $1800 for the black, $2000 for the H2O, same as all other places I looked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenw111 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, shootingsight said: Where did you find it? I looked at Bud's and they are $1800 for the black, $2000 for the H2O, same as all other places I looked. i literally bought another one 4 days ago for $1540......i know what their website says, ....but call them about a cash price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 FYI: Ebay had an older GG&G (new) for auction the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jolly Roger Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I wrote a lengthy letter to TTI about the problems I was experiencing with there products, I included photos trying to be helpful as I possibly could. The answer I received from them was: "RETURN IT THEN!!!!!!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Retired said: FYI: Ebay had an older GG&G (new) for auction the other day. My bad, meant to say FFT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingsight Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) LOL. From Bud's: "Thank you for contacting us here at Budsgunshop.com! We greatly appreciate your patronage. Unfortunately, we would not be able to honor an older price." No worries, a used one will pop up sooner or later. Edited October 19, 2019 by shootingsight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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